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Manhattan Philosophy and Fries: Why Be Rational?

Feb 18 Thu 7:00 PM
Location

432 East 13th Street
New York, NY 10009

Estimated attendance
 10  people attended.
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Who organized?
Scott Stafiej

This will be our first meeting of Philosophy and Fries in Manhattan. To kick off the Manhattan meeting we have decided to ask a rather fundamental question. Why be rational?

We have made a non-comprehensive list of questions that may be explored in this free-flowing, lively, facilitated discussion.

What does it mean to be rational?

Why should this be a goal of the average person? Can one say that it is “good”, “right”, or “virtuous” to be rational?

Are there any other methods to “knowledge” outside of rationality? Are there boundaries or limitations to rationality? If so, what are they?

Is there a natural tension between reason and emotions?

To stimulate discussion and to offer a common grounding, we have compiled the following readings. These are not required but they are encouraged in order to facilitate discussion. We look forward to seeing you there!

1. Nietzsche’s chapter “The Problem of Socrates,” in Twilight of the Idols, or, How to Philosophize with a Hammer (1888) available online at http://www.handprint.... and in

'The Portable Nietzsche', trans. Walter Kaufmann, Penguin, 1977, ISBN 0-14-015062-5

'Twilight of the Idols and the Anti-Christ', trans. R. J. Hollingdale, Penguin Classics, 1990, ISBN 0-14-044514-5

The Anti-Christ, Ecce Homo, Twilight of the Idols and Other Writing', trans. Judith Norman, Cambridge University Press, 2005, ISBN 0-521-01688-6

To understand the title and subtitle, you might want to read Nietzsche’s short preface to the book.

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4. Optional reading: http://en.wikipedia.o...

Directions:
You can get to Bistrouge off of the 1st Ave stop on the L train.

Bistrouge
http://bistrouge.com/...
432 East 13th Street
New York, NY 10009

Note on Facilitator:

Scott E. Weiner, Ph.D., received his Ph.D. in philosophy from SUNY/Stony Brook, with several years of doctoral research in Germany. His B.A. in Philosophy and Psychology is from Cornell University. He has taught philosophy at Marist College and Stony Brook. He currently is training specialist, consulting on corporate training programs for pharmaceutical and biotech companies.

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  • ScottW
    Posted Feb 16, 2010 5:33 PM
    Assistant Organizer
    I have found the Kaufmann translation of the second Nietzsche passage that I highly recommend for this discussion online: Section #344 'How we too, are still pious' that is: Nietzsche's discussion of Why science? Why truth? at http://faculty.washington.e...
  • ScottW
    Posted Feb 16, 2010 4:35 PM
    Assistant Organizer
    Thanks to Harry for pointing out to me this great quote for us to discuss: 'The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.' George Bernard Shaw
  • Marjorie
    Posted Feb 16, 2010 1:27 PM
    Wow...that's some quote OK!!! but in fact what is important is not that you change the world to reflct yourself, but rather that you change the world to reflect some aspiration that includes the good of all men...an Enlightenment aspiration, dare I say, ideal. Those guys (founding fathers for ex...Montesquieu, Voltaire..were aspiring to something greater than themselves...they got to those aspirations through reason. Marjorie
  • ScottW
    Posted Feb 5, 2010 9:35 AM
    Assistant Organizer
    Another passage I recommend in Nietzsche is How we too, are still pious that is: Why science? Why truth? Section #344, pages 280-283, one of the longer sections in The Gay Science: With a Prelude in Rhymes and an Appendix of Songs by Friedrich Nietzsche; Walter Kaufmann translation (Vintage Books, 1974). For Kaufmann discussion of the book title, see pages 4-7. And available online in Thomas Common 1910 translation: http://www.archive.org/stre...
  • ScottW
    Posted Feb 5, 2010 9:29 AM
    Assistant Organizer
    Robert, thanks for the suggestion!
  • Robert
    Posted Feb 4, 2010 3:26 PM
    May I suggest that anyone coming for the discussion take a look at MARVIN HARRIS's 2 fine books: COWS, PIGS, WARS & WITCHES, and its sequel, CANNIBALS & KINGS. Harris developed CULTURAL MATERIALISM and these readings will provide a very marked contrast to the philosophical/mentalist paradigm, which is how these questions are usually framed. Not that Nietzsche isn't fun and interesting, just not as useful as Harris's heuristic, cultural materialist tools.

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